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Be honest and answer whether you will start learning Perl if your first page in the internet about the language looks like this?
The use.perl.org is sometimes really driving me crazy. I was logged out 4x before I finished my last blog post :-(
I don't send people to use.perl because it is the "superflash" of the Perl community. It is a more utilitarian site.
I do wish the problems would get ironed out. I, too, have hit the password thing over and over and over.
I'm here because there's no credible alternative. use.perl is an anachronistic embarrassment for Perl, but until we get a serious alternative, we're stuck with it. And you're right, it hurts our image.
What would a "serious alternative" look like?
Basically, a site which looked like it's been invented some time in the past few years would be nice. Oh, and users to actually use it. Tha
By accident (due to one of those notorious automatic logouts -- does Slashdot have the same problem?) I happened to see the use.perl.org frontpage that unsuspecting visitors see. It's damn ugly: mostly links to "what's new on CPAN" for every single day for the last, what, 8 days? And then just one tiny framed text.
I do like the looks of the site when I am logged in. Then I do get several of those framed articles, an no link to CPAN. I think the site is not ugly for guests on purpose, but by negligence.
Make require.perl? :)
If serious, I'd like to make something more modern, just decide what: blogs or what?
This is not only the design we talk about. If the website is slow and sometimes behaves unpredictably, that's bad.
It used to, as I recall. You'd have to ask Pudge why it was disabled.
It never was disabled.
Those who ignore marketing are doomed to repeat it.
No offence, but marketing is not evil and ignoring it doesn't help. And citing Haskell and Common Lisp as examples of languages which don't need pretty Web sites is, well, you know :)
Would you please join firstname.lastname@example.org mailing list by sending the addresses to join to email@example.com? It's better to disscuss something together :-)
I reiterate Ovid's statement, marketing is not evil. There is good marketing and bad marketing, but dismissing it as evil is to miss the point entirely.
use.perl was an active and very current site when I joined, it's only real problem is that it doesn't have a dedicated active development team, in the way that PerlMonks has. The code is based on SlashCode and as far as I'm aware that's still the case. The data might not be available, but the code is there. Unfortunately no-one has felt moved to work on impr
We don't have a site like use.perl.org. Pudge has a site like use.perl.org. It's his testbed for Slashcode. That's it's main purpose. It's not yours. It's not ours. It doesn't "represent" anybody.
If you (or a "we" that you are part of) want to have a site, then start a site.
Everyone is in marketing. Everyone sells to everyone else. "Hey, wanna go to lunch? There's this cool Mexican place I heard about."
Similarly, if we say "Hey, look how cool Perl is and all the cool things you can do with it," that's also marketing.
I know it's hip to be all anti-marketing and anti-establishment, but if you want people to join our little group, y
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