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ajt (2546)

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UK based. Perl, XML/HTTP, SAP, Debian hacker.

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Wednesday October 15, 2003
03:28 PM

Modern Browsers

[ #15230 ]

Today I tried the latest browsers from the Mozilla.org (Mozilla and Firebird), and yesterday I installed the latest Opera browser*. I'm amazed at the quality of these modern browsers, they are so fast and feature complete, with excellent standards support that I can't see why anyone in their right mind would use an insecure, slow and sub-standard product such as IE. I've not used a khtml based browser yet, but I gather that they are rather good as well.

I borrowed Zeldman's book on standards based web design, to read this weekend, so I can do my part in push in the web sites I can influence towards a more standard based design, with less browser sniffing, complex, bandwidth wasting non-standard code and markup.

* Interestingly Adobe use Opera as the built in browser for the latest version of their In-Design product, and Macromedia are using Opera for the next Mac version of Dreamweaver.

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  • There's also new Firebird and Thunderbird. The new Thunderbird seems to just be cosmetic changes, none of the bugs I've griped about in their forums seem to have been fixed. The new Firebird - haven't tried it yet, cos the damned firewall at work won't let me download it. I'm currently wgetting it at home and will then scp it.
  • DWWS (Score:3, Informative)

    by davorg (18) <dave@dave.org.uk> on 2003.10.17 8:18 (#24950) Homepage Journal
    Thanks for pointing out the Zeldman book. I'd never heard of it before, but I've been reading it on Safari [oreilly.com] and it looks great. I've now got a copy on order.

    Essential reading for web designers.
    • Re:DWWS (Score:3, Informative)

      I've followed "A List Apart [alistapart.com]" for some time - the site is undergoing a redesign at the moment but the archives are still available. Zeldman [happycog.com] is the editor, and has written several good articles himself for ALA.

      We are planning some revisions at work to our site, and I thought it would be useful to try and wean the graphic artist of his beloved Dreamweaver, and back to real HTML. Dreamweaver has two basic problems:

      • It produces very old-fashioned, usually invalid and extremely verbose mark-up.
      • If you want to
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      -- "It's not magic, it's work..."