Purdy's Friends' Journals http://use.perl.org/~Purdy/journal/friends/ Purdy's Friends' use Perl Journals en-us use Perl; is Copyright 1998-2006, Chris Nandor. Stories, comments, journals, and other submissions posted on use Perl; are Copyright their respective owners. 2012-01-25T02:08:33+00:00 pudge pudge@perl.org Technology hourly 1 1970-01-01T00:00+00:00 Purdy's Friends' Journals http://use.perl.org/images/topics/useperl.gif http://use.perl.org/~Purdy/journal/friends/ use Perl; Shutting Down Indefinitely http://use.perl.org/~pudge/journal/40525?from=rss <p>See <a href="http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=10/09/08/2053239">here</a>.</p> pudge 2010-09-08T22:07:47+00:00 useperl Cute caps http://use.perl.org/~jdavidb/journal/40507?from=rss <p>I'm doing some quick code generation (the output is Java), and I found myself writing the below routine. I like it because of the names I picked for the variables. Not exactly self-documenting (although it is when you think about it), but this is throwaway. You can probably tell what the code is doing and why I named the variables as I did, and you might be entertained.</p><blockquote><div><p> <tt>sub uc_prop<br>{<br>&nbsp; my($prop) = @_;<br>&nbsp; my $p = substr($prop, 0, 1);<br>&nbsp; my $P = uc($p);<br>&nbsp; my $rop = substr($prop, 1);<br>&nbsp; return "$P$rop";<br>}</tt></p></div> </blockquote> jdavidb 2010-08-19T21:55:41+00:00 journal use Perl; http://use.perl.org/~pudge/journal/40493?from=rss <p>I am no longer working for Slashdot/Geeknet as of September 30. I am actively seeking new employment. Unless you want to hire me, you don't need to care, unless you also care about <a href="http://use.perl.org/">use Perl;</a>, because it has been generously hosted by Geeknet since I started the site over 10 years ago, shortly after I was hired by Andover.Net to work on Slashdot.</p><p>Long story short, I have not done much with the site in recent years, so my options at this point are to do nothing; migrate the site to a new server and keep it running as-is; or take the data and do something with it on a new site. Or something I haven't thought of.</p><p>I am hereby accepting proposals for what to do with use Perl;. In short, I would like to donate it to someone who will give it a good home. If you're interested, give me your best pitch.</p><p>Cross-posted on <a href="http://pudge.net/glob/2010/08/use-perl.html">&lt;pudge/*&gt;</a>.</p> pudge 2010-08-11T23:34:11+00:00 journal Matt Trout, aka mst, is insane http://use.perl.org/~pudge/journal/40492?from=rss <p>Wow. I occasionally, but not too often, go into #perl. Very busy with family and life. So I go in today, and for no reason, <a href="http://www.trout.me.uk/">mst</a> bans me and tells me to not come back.</p><p>What's up with him being such an irrational dick?</p> pudge 2010-08-11T16:41:54+00:00 journal Strawberry Perl install rolled back http://use.perl.org/~jdavidb/journal/40462?from=rss <p>Strawberry Perl 5.12.0 was almost completely installed when suddenly it flashed some message I didn't see into the install wizard and the progress bars started moving backward! I have never seen anything like it. I realized the progress bar caption had been changed to simply "Rolling Back Action" and watched as at least three anonymous "actions" were rolled back, progress bar by progress bar. Then the install wizard simply told me "Strawberry Perl Setup Wizard ended prematurely Strawberry Perl Setup Wizard ended prematurely because of an error. Your system has not been modified. To install this program at a later time, run Setup Wizard again. Click the Finish button to exit the Setup Wizard."</p><p>I wish it would tell me what the error was so I might have some hope of correcting it.</p> jdavidb 2010-07-26T20:34:33+00:00 journal Hiveminder: personal RT, for free http://use.perl.org/~jdavidb/journal/40452?from=rss <p>You mean someone will provide RT for me to use for free on the web? And they've built an awesome AJAX-y frontend for it? And they allow me to tag tasks and they encourage me to keep my work todo list and as many personal todo lists as I want in here? And they give me awesome search utilities for figuring this out and keeping it organized?</p><p>It's almost like <a href="http://hiveminder.com/">a dream come true</a>.</p> jdavidb 2010-07-19T16:58:36+00:00 journal Perl 6 Design Minutes for 30 June 2010 http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40433?from=rss <p>The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 30 June 2010. Allison, Patrick, and chromatic attended.</p><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>working on Parrot packages for Debian experimental</li><li>seems like a good idea to do that before the 2.6 supported release</li><li>there was also a request for Rakudo packages</li><li>not sure if I'm the best person to do it</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>I'm sure we should package Rakudo Star</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>Debian had a packager for those, but I haven't looked at the packages</li><li>this'd be an early run of what we'll do with Rakudo Star</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>we're not quite ready for packaging that yet</li><li>maybe a couple of weeks</li><li>finished the <code>List</code> and <code>Iterator</code> types for the #30 release</li><li>adjusted Rakudo's <code>Associative</code> and <code>Positional</code> roles</li><li>much cleaner implementation now</li><li>that'll require a few small spec changes</li><li>redid Rakudo's container types</li><li>more robust</li><li>preparing for autovivification of hashes and arrays</li><li>expect to finish those in the next couple of days</li><li>there was no container model previously; the code was consequently crufty</li><li>lots of cleanup of incorrect assumptions</li><li>Rakudo lists are now properly lazy</li><li>comment syntax fixed</li><li>ROADMAP updated</li><li>fixed the meaning of <code>Nil</code>; it's defined, not undefined</li><li>added the sink prefix (?)</li><li>fixed setting of <code>$!</code> </li><li>started fixing bugs and closing tickets on Monday, did 15 or 20</li><li>mostly already fixed in the previous couple of weeks</li><li>looking at the implementation of the series operator</li><li>spec is self-contradictory or ambiguous or both</li><li>waiting for Larry's clarification</li><li>fixed a bug in <code>$*ARGFILES</code> </li><li>had a nice contribution of that implementation last week</li><li>that behavior works on any set of files, not just those on the command line</li><li>working on autoviv</li><li>have some regex backtracking bugs to fix</li><li>will work on closures after that</li><li>put together three new YAPC presentations</li><li>the Rakudo Star presentation will become a video cast or a blog post or both</li></ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>worked on a slew of Parrot optimizations for Rakudo</li><li>have a few more to go</li><li>might have to create a Rakudo branch temporarily</li><li>will try to help merge the new GC</li><li>working on a metamodel for Parrot objects, informed by Perl 6 and Moose</li></ul> chromatic 2010-07-03T08:13:30+00:00 journal Modern Perl: The (Draft) Book http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40423?from=rss <p>This took longer than I expected, but <a href="http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2010/06/modern-perl-the-book-the-draft.html">the draft of the Modern Perl book is available for review</a>. I'm especially interested in hearing from people who don't consider themselves expert Perl 5 programmers. The goal of the book is to explain how Perl 5 works (and how to write Perl 5 effectively) to help novices become adepts.</p> chromatic 2010-06-28T23:43:33+00:00 journal Perl 6 Design Minutes for 16 June 2010 http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40419?from=rss <p>The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 16 June 2010. Larry, Allison, Patrick, Will, and chromatic attended.</p><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>documented <code>TOP</code> (again), and explained how parsing is initiated and how it actually works</li><li>series operator (<code>...</code>) now picks a monotonic function when using single characters as endpoints</li><li>STD can now catch duplicates involving <code>proto</code>s as well as <code>only</code>s</li><li>STD no longer advises removal of parens on spaceless <code>sub()</code> declaration</li><li>mostly advised sorear and pmichaud</li><li>Stefan is finishing the boostrap of the STD parser</li><li>also working on adding a parallel NFA and DFA engine</li><li>no, he doesn't want to generate all the states in advance</li><li>it works faster lazily</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>working on chroot environments with something more secure than chroot</li><li>relevant to building Parrot packages</li><li>looking at some bugs for Will</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>Rakudo developers decided not to make extra special effort to make a June release of Rakudo Star</li><li>the calendar works against us</li><li>the new date for the release is July 29</li><li>we're I comfortable with hitting that target</li><li>we won't be happy with the results of moving heaven and earth to release in June</li><li>there are lots of advantages</li><li>one disadvantage is not having Rakudo Star at YAPC::NA</li><li>one big advantage is using the supported Parrot 2.6 release as the basis</li><li>I'll write a post outlining the plan in the next couple of days</li><li>otherwise working on lists and interators in Perl 6 and Rakudo</li><li>after deciding to make iterators immutable, Larry and I realized that solves many problems</li><li>everything works out as plain as day after that</li><li>very happy with that design</li><li>the incorrect assumptions of the old model were pervasive</li><li>replacing the old pieces is taking a while, which is no surprise</li><li>this approach feels right though</li><li>the new branch does things no previous version could do</li><li>slices work much better, for example</li><li>metaoperators work properly</li><li>map is lazy</li><li>slurpy arguments in lists are lazy by default</li><li>no weird binding or action at a distance problems</li><li>plenty of changes to <code>Associative</code> and <code>Positional</code> roles</li><li>those are now super clean and may be lazy</li><li>more features work</li><li>~30 failing tests (not test files, just tests) now, ~500 last night</li><li>most of the current failures are minor</li><li>will try to merge the branch before the release</li><li>replacing lots of ugly code with fewer lines of elegant code</li><li>Jonathan and others have worked on lots of other pieces</li><li>adding plenty of new features</li><li>looking forward to tomorrow's release</li></ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>editing the Rakudo book</li><li>moving the Rakudo release date may let us have a printed book available about the same time</li><li>depends on how much there is left to write</li></ul> chromatic 2010-06-26T17:07:30+00:00 journal Perl 6 Design Minutes for 09 June 2010 http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40415?from=rss <p>The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 09 June 2010. Larry, Allison, Patrick, and chromatic attended.</p><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>not much spec change this week</li><li>figured out a syntax for a regex block to return more than one cursor</li><li>based on <code>gather</code>/<code>take</code> </li><li>in STD hacking, continued to assist Stefan O'Rear in getting STD bootstrapped via viv</li><li>now that it's bootstrapped, we're refactoring things that make sense now</li><li>we're now starting to move bits of Cursor code from Perl 5 into Perl 6</li><li>refactoring the grammar for sanity of design</li><li>started upgrading STD to normal Perl 6 syntax where it previously catered to <code>gimme5</code>'s limitations</li><li>for example, switched STD's old<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>.&lt;_from&gt;</code> and<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>.&lt;_pos&gt;</code> hash lookups to using<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>.from</code> and<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>.pos</code> accessors</li><li>started the prep work for moving <code>EXPR</code> out of <code>STD</code> to make it generally available to any grammar wanting operator precedence</li><li>in STD parsing, made Perl 5 <code>$&lt;</code> detection have a longer token to avoid confusion with match variables</li><li>STD no longer attempts two-terms detection on <code>infix_circumfix_meta_operator</code> </li><li>STD now parses <code>&gt;&gt;R~&lt;&lt;</code> correctly, or at least dwimmily</li><li>STD doesn't complain about P5isms in <code>printf</code> formats like <code>"%{$count}s"</code> </li><li>STD was parsing<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>/m</code> and<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>/s</code> with the opposite semantics</li><li> <code>termish</code> now localizes <code>$*MULTINESS</code> in its scope so that inner declarations aren't accidentally multified</li><li>STD now carps about <code>package Foo;</code> as a Perl 5 construct</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>talked to Chris Shiflett, a PHP developer, on someone from the PHP community to sit on the Parrot board</li><li>will be in the US for a few weeks</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>working on list simplification</li><li>had a couple of breakthrough ideas on Monday</li><li>working on the implementation now</li><li>worked out inversion lists for character class matching in regexes</li><li>will make them faster, especially with long ranges of character classes</li><li>fixed a half-dozen tickets in RT</li><li>fixed Rakudo hash constructors</li><li>fixed an intermittent bug with colon-pair signatures</li><li>two possible parses exist in STD, but we removed an unneeded one in Rakudo</li><li>fixed a bug with Parrot's <code>exit</code> opcode</li><li>NQP and PAST needed an update not to cheat with PASM constants</li><li>I fixed that too</li><li>Vasily added multisub and multimethod support to NQP, that was a big plus</li><li>fixed the <code>**</code> quantifier in regexes to understand surrounding whitespace</li><li>regex engine tried to match beyond the end of a string, so I added guards for that</li><li>will work on lists furiously before the next release</li><li>I don't think it'll take long</li><li>closures are next, hope to have those in place by the weekend</li></ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>released a new version of Pod::PseudoPod::LaTeX to support the various books in progress</li></ul> chromatic 2010-06-24T12:24:33+00:00 journal Perl 6 Design Minutes for 02 June 2010 http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40410?from=rss <p>The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 02 June 2010. Larry, Allison, Patrick, Will, and chromatic attended.</p><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>mostly, I supported sorear in bootstrapping STD to use <code>viv</code> instead of <code>gimme5</code> </li><li>his stage 2 and stage 3 now output identical Perl 5 versions of STD</li><li>produces a huge amount of warnings</li><li>appears to require Perl 5.12 at the moment</li><li>working on both of those</li><li>S03 refines hyper dwimminess to be more like APL, with modular semantics</li><li>S02 refines <code>Blob</code>s to simply be immutable <code>Buf</code>s, with similar generic characteristics</li><li>S02 now describes native <code>blob</code> types</li><li>implemented post-declaration checks for <code>BEGIN</code> and <code>use</code>, since those can't wait for end of file</li><li>STD no longer loses existing bindings when we go to a sublanguage</li><li>STD now uses <code>$*GOAL</code> variable only as informative, never as a "stopper"</li><li>instead, we create a <code>&lt;stopper&gt;</code> rule for <code>$*GOAL</code> if necessary</li><li>can check for that only, instead of that or <code>$*GOAL</code> </li><li>answering lots of questions on how STD and <code>viv</code> work besides that</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>did a lot of research on graph color algorithms for register usage algorithms</li><li>will finish my finals on Monday</li></ul><p> <strong>Will:</strong> </p><ul> <li>trying to herd the discussion of dynop libraries</li><li>a recent branch to close an old ticket broke a lot of assumptions</li><li>some bugs have become more visible because of these changes</li><li>hope to get that cleaned up this week</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>I liked your suggestion of bringing back the <code>getstderr</code> and related opcodes</li></ul><p> <strong>Will:</strong> </p><ul> <li>trying to resurrect Partcl</li><li>stuck on a TT #389 closing issue</li><li>not sure how to fix that, the way things are now</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>working on the iterator and list design</li><li>brainstorming the implementation</li><li>will implement somethine one way or another this week</li><li>people keep implementing workarounds for the current system</li><li>they'll bite us eventually</li><li>Moritz and I worked on making the regex engine returning real Perl 6 objects</li><li>that mostly works</li><li>exposes some places where lists don't work exactly right</li><li>the workarounds there made me replan the list and iterator implementation</li><li>answered some questions online</li><li>Jonathan added a better backtrace algorithm for Rakudo</li><li>reports Perl 6 source lines instead of PIR lines</li><li>I'll review his code</li><li>think I can borrow it for NQP for all HLLs</li><li>Jonathan reports that it was a lot easier in NQP than PIR</li></ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>trying to answer a few Parrot design questions</li><li>looking at the continuation of design from Perl 1 - 4 to Perl 5 and Perl 6</li><li>hope to have coding time soon</li></ul> chromatic 2010-06-22T01:12:29+00:00 journal Perl 6 Design Minutes for 26 May 2010 http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40408?from=rss <p>The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 26 May 2010. Larry, Allison, Patrick, Will, and chromatic attended.</p><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li><nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:()</code> syntax is now always signature</li><li>we now use <code>foofix:[...]</code> as the general op form instead of <code>foofix:(...)</code> </li><li>refactored the sematics of<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:nth</code> and<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:x</code> </li><li><nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:nth()</code> now only ever takes a monotonically increasing list</li><li>S03 now explains how "not-raising" works on <code>!=</code> and <code>ne</code> </li><li>it now basically matches the intuitions of an English speaker via HOP definition of negate metaop</li><li>STD sometimes didn't require semi between statements</li><li>statement modifiers are expression terminators but not valid statement terminators</li><li>an unexpected statement modifier word like <code>if</code> could terminate one statement and start another</li><li>fixed up backslashes in character classes to allow <code>\s</code> etc and reject <code>\u</code> etc</li><li>STD was accidentally using the same lexpad for different multis</li><li>Cursor now treats<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:()</code> on name extension as a signature always, never as a categorical</li><li>we shouldn't introduce the stopper for circumfix until we're in the circumfix, or we can't use the same char on both ends</li><li>placeholder messages error messages are now much more informative and correct</li><li>we now disallow use of placeholder after same variable has been used as a non-placeholder, even for an outer reference</li><li>renamed add_macro (which it doesn't) to add_categorical (which it does)</li><li>participating frequently in discussions on semantics both on irc and p6l</li><li>working closely with sorear++ as he brings viv closer to bootstrapping, yay!</li><li>soon can bootstrap past gimme5</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>worked on Pynie this week in my limited spare time</li><li>one goal is to generate the parser directly from the Python grammar</li><li>wrote a small, lightweight PEG parser which generates a match tree from the Python 3 grammar</li><li>can generate a lexer directly</li><li>right now it creates a parse tree</li><li>looks similar to the match nodes of NQP-rx</li><li>dumps out a tree to the PIR parser</li><li>working on PaFo elections for next year, but trying to delegate those</li><li>will have more time after June 7</li></ul><p> <strong>Will:</strong> </p><ul> <li>working on Perl 6 advent tests</li><li>many more people are doing more work than me</li><li>liasing with Rakudo folks for any important Parrot bugs before the Rakudo Star release</li><li>my current direction there is "don't break anything"</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>sorear added hash flattening to NQP</li><li>lots of work on closures in PAST and NQP</li><li>they properly clone</li><li>fixes some lexical problems</li><li>need to get that to work in Rakudo</li><li>that's tougher; Rakudo has to wrap Parrot subs</li><li>wrapper object needs cloning as well, along with its attributes</li><li>we'll add a new PAST node type to help</li><li>that node understands contexts</li><li>essentially a way to add void context optimizations to your AST</li><li>that solves many problems in Rakudo beyond closures</li><li>added a setting into NQP along with its test suite</li><li>not automatically loaded, but available</li><li>contains standard hash and array methods</li><li>Parrot's ops2c project uses those</li><li>other people can update and enhance that setting as necessary</li><li>NQP also has the ability to parse type names</li><li>NQP doesn't do anything with them yet</li><li>eventually they'll allow the use of multis</li><li>cleaning up some NQP bugs regarding lexicals and package storage of subs</li><li>Bruce Keeler enabled variable interpolations in regexes</li><li>working on some refactorings to simplify that approach</li><li>works in NQP and Rakudo now</li><li>that's a feature we've never had before</li><li>Rakudo's REPL now works better, thanks to sorear</li><li>HLLCompiler now written more in NQP as part of that</li><li>NQP now can do <code>eval</code> </li><li>NQP remembers lexicals in interactive mode now</li><li>adding that to Rakudo is more complex</li><li>working on that</li><li>pleased with the progress on #perl6</li></ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>reviewing long term plans for GC and Lorito</li><li>should have more time free soon</li></ul> chromatic 2010-06-20T19:40:02+00:00 journal Perl 6 Design Minutes for 19 May 2010 http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40401?from=rss <p>The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 19 May 2010. Larry, Will, and chromatic attended. Patrick added his notes later.</p><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>S03 makes more explicit that doctrine that <code>~~</code> topicalizes, and removes smartmatch table fossils that automatically fall out from that</li><li>S05 renames 'accent' to 'mark' for better Unicode conformance</li><li><nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:a</code> and<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:aa</code> changed to<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:m</code> and<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:mm</code> </li><li>S05 disrequires retroactive semantics on<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:samecase</code> and<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:samemark</code> </li><li>the method form must now explicitly add case or mark modifiers to the pattern</li><li>regularized <code>mm//</code> to <code>ms//</code> to avoid confusion with new<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:m</code> ignoremark option</li><li>STD now does a bit better at diagnosing bogus <code>??!!</code> constructs of various sorts</li><li>STD now correctly adds operators to symbol tables as subs</li><li> <code>CORE.setting</code> now has protos of all the operators so they can be recognized as subs too</li><li>Cursor now canonicalize operator names in the symbol table</li><li>btw, not quite like specced</li><li>STD now reads user's mind on '<code>Str $toto</code>' to intuit missing declarator</li><li>STD now properly diagnoses a typename between routine declarator and sub name</li></ul><p> <strong>Will:</strong> </p><ul> <li>working on code for Carl Masak, trying to get his poker code example running on Rakudo</li><li>both fun and frustrating</li><li>some stuff doesn't quite work yet</li><li>going through the Advent examples</li><li>adding them to spectests</li><li>make sure we won't regress on such public examples</li><li>other people are helping with that now</li></ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>will get back to editing the Rakudo book soon</li><li>hope to have it in print by YAPC, but no guarantee</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>fixed closures in NQP, as a precursor for fixing them in Rakudo</li><li>worked with sorear on REPL in Rakudo and PCT in general</li><li>ported the NQP "standard library" done by japhb++, bacek++, and many others into the nqp-rx repository and made it part of the standard build sequence for nqp and Parrot</li><li>decided we need a new "context sensitive" node type in PAST, will be used to create proper closures and to handle sink context</li><li>worked with bacek on adding better multimethod support to PAST and nqp-rx</li><li>discovered a problem with lexical subs in NQP being automatically entered into the package namespace (and some existing code relying on this behavior)</li><li>did some initial fixes to at least get things entered properly, but a complete fix may require a deprecation cycle</li><li>plan to review others' patches this week</li><li>plan to fix REPL, closures, and sink context in Rakudo (since those are currently large pain points)</li><li>plan to work on loops and iterators after that</li></ul> chromatic 2010-06-16T21:38:09+00:00 journal Perl 6 Design Minutes for 12 May 2010 http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40400?from=rss <p>The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 12 May 2010. Larry, Allison, Patrick, and Will attended.</p><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>clarified usage of brackets around infixes</li><li>added various 128-bit types to the spec; we might make them arbitrarily extensible via role</li><li>at least LLVM could support this, even to non-powers-of-two sizes</li><li>modernized the paleolithic grammatical category description in S02</li><li>STD now uses double-quote rules for interpolating <code>@foo[]</code> into regex</li><li>STD now gives better message on <code>1__3</code> </li><li>added the specced 128-bit types to CORE.setting</li><li>added <code>minmax</code> function to CORE.setting</li><li>implemented <code>circumfix:&#171;X Y&#187;</code> as grammar derivation</li><li>currently only allows a <code> &gt;&gt; inside</code></li><li>now also recognizes <code>foofix:("\x[face]")</code> and <code>foofix:("\c[YOUR CHARACTER HERE]")</code> without actually evaluating</li><li>playing with factoring <code>yaml</code> out of <code>gimme5</code>, since <code>viv</code> is not likely to go that route.</li><li>mostly just answered a lot of questions on irc</li><li>egged people on about concurrency issues</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>thought on handling closures properly</li><li>have a solution, just need some time to implement</li><li>discussion on changes to CodeString</li><li>work on compiler toolkit to avoid CodeString, using StringBuilder instead where possible, in PCT, NQP, and rakudo. Pretty easy, no downstream projects block on a deprecation issue</li><li>after that, lists</li><li>also been answering questions on interactive mode (REPL) for rakudo et al. (the issue with losing lexicals)</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>resolved the git conversation pretty well (for Parrot's repo migration)</li><li>worked on a pure PEG parser (following the paper), straight PIR, single day; now self-parsing. Interesting project, is lightweight. currently has memoization, but that might not be right for us because of backtracking. With some more effort, could probably handle EBNF form (useful for python)</li><li>could be setup for developer status for Debian which will improve our packaging status for Debian and Ubuntu</li></ul><p> <strong>Will:</strong> </p><ul> <li>Parrot CodeString performance improvements</li><li>we're definitely faster in branch, but some feedback from pmichaud should help us clean up the API a bit as well, look for those to hit trunk in the next few days</li><li>Parrot makefile deps cleanup</li></ul> chromatic 2010-06-16T01:47:02+00:00 journal Strawberry Win32 GUI programming http://use.perl.org/~jdavidb/journal/40388?from=rss <p>If I wanted to write a Strawberry program to run as a daemon and periodically pop up alerts on my machine, and I had no Windows Perl GUI programming experience other than an abortive look at WxPerl years before anybody ever thought of Strawberry, what module would I be looking for?</p> jdavidb 2010-06-09T15:10:53+00:00 journal Summary of Celtics vs. Lakers NBA Finals History http://use.perl.org/~pudge/journal/40370?from=rss <p>There have been 60 NBA Finals. The Boston Celtics have won 17, and the Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers have won 15, which amounts to those teams winning more than half of all NBA Finals. This year, they play each other in the Finals again, making it 33 champions out of 61 being either the Lakers or the Celtics.</p><p>Additionally, 39 of the 61 Finals have included either the Lakers or the Celtics. Including this year, the Celtics and Lakers have played each other in the Finals a whopping 12 times (just under one-fifth of all Finals have been these two teams).</p><p>The Celtics have made 21 total Finals appearances, so have faced the Lakers more than half of the times they've been in the Finals. The Lakers have made 30 Finals appearances, facing the Celtics in two-fifths of those.</p><p>The Celtics won nine of those against the Lakers, which accounts for more than half of all their 17 championships. The Lakers' two victories over the Celtics came after the Celtics won their first eight encounters.</p><p>The longest streak without either team in the Finals was eight years from '92-'99. The longest streak <b>with</b> either the Lakers or Celtics in the Finals was 10 years, done twice (from '57-'66, in which the Celtics appears all 10 years, and the Lakers five of those; and '80-'89, in which the Lakers appeared eight times, the Celtics five).</p><p>The longest streak for one team appearing in the Finals was, as noted, Boston, in the 10 years from '57-'66. Boston won nine of those 10 years, including eight in a row (the longest winning streak from any one team) from '59-'66, and also won 10 in 12 years, from '57-'69.</p><p>The Lakers' longest appearance streak is "only" four, from '82-'85, winning twice; but they have also appeared three times in a row five additional times (including the current three-year streak). In two of those, they won all three years; in one, they lost all three.</p><p>The only other team to "threepeat" was the Bulls, winning three years in a row twice in eight years ('91-'98). No other team but the Celtics and Lakers have had four consecutive appearances. The only other team to have three consecutive appearances was the Knicks, losing all three from '51-'53.</p><p>The 2010 NBA Finals begin in Los Angeles on Thursday.</p><p>Cross-posted on <a href="http://pudge.net/glob/2010/05/summary-of-celtics-vs-lakers-nba-finals-history.html">&lt;pudge/*&gt;</a>.</p> pudge 2010-05-30T05:25:50+00:00 journal Another StackOverflow question moved: what's the deal? http://use.perl.org/~jdavidb/journal/40357?from=rss <p>Stack Overflow is made significantly less useful when ignorant people move Perl programming questions to serverfault.com because the questions are about <a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2769078/perl-tds-character-sets-closed">"servers, networks or the administration of many machines."</a>.</p><p>This kind of ridiculous micromanaging by people who are awarded points for being anti-helpful is what destroyed Wikipedia as a place I wanted to participate.</p> jdavidb 2010-05-20T14:18:10+00:00 journal Perl 6 Design Minutes for 05 May 2010 http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40351?from=rss <p>The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 05 May 2010. Larry, Allison, Patrick, Will, and chromatic attended.</p><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>various spec updates, some major</li><li>removed <code>p5=&gt;</code> description because it's not supported in core</li><li>deleted <code>self:sort</code> construct because self isn't a real syntactic category</li><li>explained Perl patterns in terms of PEGs, and spec'ed tiebreaking rules explicitly</li><li>last but not least, finally purveyed the long-threatened revamp of proto to keep routine and method semantics similar</li><li>they all now work much more like the multiple dispatch semantics currently used by STD, where we always call the proto first</li><li>the proto is then always in charge of the actual multiple dispatch; it can of course delegate that</li><li>and the default for a null body corresponds closely to current semantics</li><li>in hacking news, the lexer generator mislaid any alternative that was a bare<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>.</code> pattern, so cursor_fate never called its alternative, oops</li><li>took me a long time to run that one down, because it resulted in a horrendous backtrack causing mysterious misplaced errors</li><li>revamped character class parsing to be more helpful and correct</li><li>STD now check a normal regex bracket's innards for old-school character class, and warns if found</li><li>added a<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>.looks_like_cclass</code> method to Cursor to detect most accidental uses of P5 ranges</li><li>some valid P6 brackets will complain, but the workarounds are easy</li><li>just put whitespace on both ends is one way</li><li>removed a few of these old-school-ish character classes from STD</li><li>changed<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:tr</code> language to<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:cc</code> language since character classes share it</li><li>(translation pays more attention to ordering, but the language is the same)</li><li>turned out parsing character classes discovered issues in STD; various character classes needed to backslash <code>#</code> that would otherwise be a comment</li><li>to that end, we now allow <code>\#</code> in character classes instead of misparsing as unspace</li><li>if we find an invalid <code>-</code> in a regex, we now presume we're in an old-school character class and fail with a sorry instead of a panic to give the character class code a shot at it</li><li>STD now uses <code>~</code> syntax for regex brackets to set <code>$*GOAL</code> correctly</li><li>cleaned up recursive panic detection; it was possible to get both false positives and negatives before</li><li>STD shouldn't use 'note' to emit a panic inside a suppose because that leaks the message that should be trapped</li><li>STD now suppresses duplicate <code>sorry</code> messages more correctly</li><li> <code>sorry</code> no longer uses <code>panic</code> in a supposition, but dies directly to throw the exception to the suppose's try block</li><li>STD now allows subscripts on regex variables so <code>$x[0]</code> isn't taken as a character class; still needs speccing</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>can we make them consistent?</li></ul><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>historically S05 has allowed bare arrays to mean interpolation</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>we've never had a working implementation of that</li></ul><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>a bare <code>@</code> would be illegal</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>it's currently illegal</li></ul><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>you'd have to backslash it to match part of an email address</li><li>it's not like the <code>@</code> alternations are a big deal one way or another</li><li>that'd be a little more consistent</li><li>I forced it to think of the sigil as <code>$</code> than what it really is</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>after seeing how Jonathan et all did interpolation for quoted strings, I thought we should do the same thing in regexes</li></ul><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>STD now has a partial fix to prevent leakage of<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>::T</code> from role signatures</li><li>unfortunately, the current fix will lose signatures of file-scoped generic roles</li><li>this probably has to do with not knowing whether we're really going to want a new pad; unfortunately we'd have to look ahead to know that currently</li><li>various other minor tweaks and bug fixes in STD and Cursor</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>mostly responding to messages and reports</li><li>should be able to get back to coding full-time and online for the next week</li><li>plan to resolve the list and closure issues with NQP and Rakudo</li><li>will answer other questions and try to keep other people productive</li><li>planning for the Rakudo Star release on June</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>busy with the last week of classes</li><li>spent most of it writing a little language with PCT</li><li>it was easy to use and easy to swap the stages of PCT</li><li>I remembered what Patrick did with LOLCODE</li><li>also had a discussion of source code control systems</li><li>next week should be more productive</li><li>need to work more closely with Debian packagers to get packages into Debian</li></ul><p> <strong>Will:</strong> </p><ul> <li>cleaning out as many deprecations in Parrot as possible</li><li>trying to improve the speed of CodeString after the immutable STRINGs merge</li><li>bundling lots of little concats helps</li><li>hope to merge in an optimization branch for that by the weekend</li><li>want to make that faster or less memory intensive</li><li>may require the use of a new StringBuilder for Parrot</li><li>hopefully will result in a faster Rakudo build</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>I've never seen CodeString take a long time</li><li>unless you run into memory problems</li><li><p> * discussion of the StringBuilder PMC *</p></li> </ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>still working on optimizations, particularly CodeString</li><li>looking at more PBC and PBC-building optimizations</li><li>PBC size went down dramatically and startup improved for Rakudo</li><li>should have that much faster for the 2.4 release</li><li>will poke at GC tasks starting next week</li></ul> chromatic 2010-05-10T06:07:34+00:00 journal Testing gurus, would you please chime in? http://use.perl.org/~jdavidb/journal/40346?from=rss <p>The question is how to test a class that installs system services: <a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2790072/unit-testing-installation-of-services">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2790072/unit-testing-installation-of-service<nobr>s<wbr></nobr> </a> </p> jdavidb 2010-05-07T17:16:23+00:00 journal Perl 6 Design Minutes for 28 April 2010 http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40338?from=rss <p>The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 28 April 2010. Larry, Allison, Jerry, Will, and chromatic attended.</p><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>caught up on a week's worth of backlog</li><li>made a few spec tweaks</li><li>discussed them with other people</li><li>trying to make error messages more awesome in STD</li><li>working on the ability to parse the insides of character classes</li><li>STD doesn't like parsing itself recursively there</li><li>need to iron out a few things</li><li>enum names can now be variables</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>Debian packages ready to ship to Debian sponsors</li><li>putting together a list of GC tasks</li><li>cleaned out the existing page, have the big things listed</li><li>trying to decide which tasks to do first</li><li>doing a lot of reading and research</li><li>my little language project is due on Monday</li><li>HLLCompiler was enormously useful</li><li>will start working on the GC stuff next week</li><li>should also start a fresh pass through the ticket queue</li><li>added a workaround for the final remaining TT #389 bug</li><li>Jonathan had a test case</li></ul><p> <strong>Will:</strong> </p><ul> <li>tried to focus on getting Rakudo blockers removed</li></ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>spent some time getting Rakudo to work with trunk</li><li>will need a Rakudo guts hacker for the last part</li><li>worked on the compact_string revamp branch with Vasily</li><li>merged now</li><li>that makes trunk about 12% faster than the 2.3.0 release</li><li>will work on a few Rakudo profiles once it works with trunk again</li><li>expect at least a 5% performance improvement there</li><li>have some other ideas, but won't do them without profiling first</li><li>came up with a scheme to reduce PBC size by coalescing strings</li><li>Peter Lobsinger is exploring that</li></ul> chromatic 2010-05-02T00:27:42+00:00 journal Perl 6 Design Minutes for 21 April 2010 http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40332?from=rss <p>The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 21 April 2010. Larry, Allison, Patrick, Will, Jerry, and chromatic attended.</p><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>been under the weather, so didn't get much done other than keeping up with questions</li><li>S05 now allows negative quantifier ranges on reversible patterns</li><li>S02 now defines the term <code>now</code> to return the current instant</li><li>like <code>rand</code> and <code>self</code>, it does not parse as a function, since it never takes arguments</li><li>we now specify what kinds of math are allowed on instants and durations</li><li>improved error message on attempt to use old-school backreferences in regexes</li><li>STD now implements the <code>now</code> term and several other time-related names</li><li>we now allow enum names to be "constant variables" so that a class enum can declare an accessor</li><li>thinking alot about a better unification of the semantics of protos</li><li>this may also solve the current ambiguity in the meaning of postfix parens</li><li>in any case, this is for post Rakudo *</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>mainly worked on packaging for Debian and Ubuntu before the release</li><li>closed TT #389, no methods in namespaces</li><li>collecting thoughts on what we need next from the GC</li><li>we've done a lot of small cleanups</li><li>now we need to solve some persistent problems</li><li>might need to make some fundamental changes, like reducing copying</li><li>coming up on my final week of classes, so lots of work there coming up</li></ul><p> <strong>Will:</strong> </p><ul> <li>updated a spectest</li><li>minor ticket wrangling in Rakudo's RT queue</li></ul><p> <strong>Jerry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>GSoC will make its acceptance announcements soon</li><li>expect TPF will get 10 slots</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>reviewing Rakudo's current state</li><li>made a couple of minor NQP patches</li><li>reviewing patches, especially from Moritz and Bruce Keeler</li><li>should check them in, probably with some refactorings</li><li>hope to work on the <code>List</code> implementation, especially laziness and context</li></ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>fixed as much of line numbering as I found broken</li><li>working on branch merges</li><li>still looking at optimizations</li><li>will focus most energy this month on the sweep-free GC</li><li>hope to encourage other people to work on identified optimizations</li><li>will review Solomon Foster's Mandlebrot example, especially with regard to performance</li></ul> chromatic 2010-04-28T22:20:35+00:00 journal Unique http://use.perl.org/~pudge/journal/40329?from=rss <p>I wonder how long it will be before people start just putting together random letters for names of companies, bands, and so on, so they can be unique in Google searches.</p><blockquote><div><p>Your search - fobhwueufg8 - did not match any documents.</p></div></blockquote><p>^^ my new band name</p><p>(Hm, "Did Not Match Any Documents" would be a fun band name. Or the name of the debut album of the band fobhwueufg8.)</p><p>Cross-posted on <a href="http://pudge.net/glob/2010/04/unique.html">&lt;pudge/*&gt;</a>.</p> pudge 2010-04-26T17:45:28+00:00 journal Bob Jacobsen interview on FLOSS Weekly http://use.perl.org/~merlyn/journal/40324?from=rss Last week, I interviewed Bob Jacobsen for FLOSS Weekly. Bob used Perl's Artistic 1.0 license on some Java code to manage model trains. The code was later patented by an Oregon-based company(!) and then Bob got sued(!!) for Bob distributing the other company's patented code(!!!). The good part of the story is that this is the first test at the US Federal Appeals Court level for an open source license to be enforceable even if no money exchanges hands, and... we won! <p> Bob spent a lot of time and money on the case though. Listen to <a href="http://twit.tv/floss117">the podcast</a> and contribute to <a href="http://jmri.sourceforge.net/donations.shtml">his legal defense</a> if you care about open source.</p> merlyn 2010-04-23T03:55:11+00:00 journal Perl 6 Design Minutes for 14 April 2010 http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40318?from=rss <p>The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 14 April 2010. Larry, Allison, Patrick, Will, and chromatic attended.</p><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>on p6l, did a bit of bikeshed paint removal with regard to hyphens vs underscores</li><li>S02 now explicitly disallows both whitespace and unspace in top level of an interpolation</li><li>per spec change, when STD is parsing an interpolation inside quotes and looking for a possible postfix, we now presume that a backslash belongs to the quotes and is not an unspace</li><li>in the src/perl6 directory, renamed all Perl 6<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>.pm</code> files to<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>.pm6</code> to avoid confusion</li><li>this was necessary because the implementation of STD translates Perl 6 back to the corresponding Perl 5</li><li>the ambiguity was causing problems with tools such as <code>NYTProf</code> </li><li> <code>Cursor.pmc</code> now prefers<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>.pm6</code> over<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>.pm</code> in any particular directory when searching for Perl 6 code</li><li>as usual lately, most of my hacking work was in improving the human interface of the parser</li><li>STD now distinguishes two final messages: "<code>Parse failed</code>" vs "<code>Check failed</code>"</li><li>STD now warns on attempts to smartmatch with <code>True</code> or <code>False</code> </li><li>STD now distinguishes continuable-but-fatal "sorry" messages from immediately fatal "panic" messages</li><li>sorry messages will eventually fail at check time</li><li>changed many of STD's semantic errors to use sorry messages when the parse state is not affected</li><li>modified moritz++'s conflict marker patch to be more like the Clang compiler's behavior</li><li>conflict markers now emit a "sorry" message and continues parsing one side of the conflict</li><li>also fixed a buglet that prevented it from processing the conflict marker if first thing in the file</li><li>while fixing the vws (vertical white space) rule for that, also changed it so that extra lines are now eaten with <code>\V*\v</code> for consistency</li><li>it had be using <code>\N*\v</code> </li><li>gimme5 now supports pointing to both ends of missing goal message</li><li>STD's "<code>Couldn't find final<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</code>" messages now use that capability to point to both ends of the error</li><li>standard quotes now also use the ~ compositor to set the goal and get that behavior</li><li>STD will now dwim <code>&lt;&lt;op&gt;&gt;</code> ("Texas hypers") better even if <code>op</code> contains angles</li><li>suppressed confusing backtracking on <code>~&lt;&lt;</code> that produced a misleading quotewords error</li><li>some other patches</li><li>CORE.setting now recognizes the '<code>note</code>' function</li><li>gimme5 now translates <code>note</code> to <code>print STDERR</code> </li><li>cleaned up some unneeded locmesses</li><li>Actions.pm now handles prefix metaops without spewing spurious yaml dumps</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>worked on TT #389</li><li>the actual fix was about two lines</li><li>spent a lot of time fixing tests around it</li><li>didn't like the original two-line fix</li><li>fixed it in IMCC by passing along the<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:nsentry</code> flag</li><li>NQP-rx still depends on that feature</li><li>I understood from Patrick that NQP-rx doesn't need that feature</li><li>don't want to launch that before the 2.3 release</li><li>worked on a lot of smaller issues</li><li>worked on the Parrot Developer Virtual Summit</li><li>will talk about some process changes more, as there are details to work out</li><li>will work on GC as the next priority</li><li>useful for Rakudo in general and Parrot concurrency</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>catching up on mail and tickets</li><li>should get back to coding in the next couple of days</li></ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>worked on the immutable strings branch</li><li>need a couple of changes in the Rakudo binder</li><li>now it's time to convince everyone else it's a worthwhile design change</li><li>going to work on bugfixes</li><li>will try to land the constant string cache</li><li>otherwise, added some optimizations</li></ul><p> <strong>Will:</strong> </p><ul> <li>worked on Partcl</li><li>fixed a Parrot bug that broke Rakudo</li><li>does Rakudo need TT #389 in 2.3?</li></ul> chromatic 2010-04-21T04:09:26+00:00 journal Ball of mud song http://use.perl.org/~jdavidb/journal/40317?from=rss <p>Anyone got any good songs about working on a ball of mud?</p> jdavidb 2010-04-20T15:01:23+00:00 journal Perl 6 Design Minutes for 07 April 2010 http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40306?from=rss <p>The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 07 April 2010. Larry, Allison, Patrick, Jerry, Will, and chromatic attended.</p><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>clarified that object identity from <code>WHICH</code> may not be a mundane value type</li><li>instead object id's are of type <code>ObjAt</code> to avoid type name collisions.</li><li>rewrote misleading description of "thunk"</li><li>made some clarifications of the desired semantics of buffers</li><li>Buf is primarily a role for dealing compact, unsigned integer arrays in a stringy way</li><li>but a Buf may be instantiated with other numeric types as well.</li><li>removed bogus mentions of Buf8, Buf16, Buf32; only the native buf types are sized that way</li><li>STD now actually parses the insides of <code>tr///</code> and carps about malformed ranges</li><li>labels are now stored symbolically as constants rather than types</li><li>so no coercion routine is added for the name, so it doesn't collide with the function namespace</li><li>labels are now constants with a unique label type to prevent confusion with ordinary constants</li><li>module subcompilation now reports the name of the file it's compiling</li><li>improved various error messages regarding <code>foreach</code>, <code>!!op</code>, <code>$!{}</code>, <code>EOF</code>, and missing punctuation after blocks</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>worked on line number reporting in HLLs</li><li>no ticket to go on, no good examples</li><li>didn't make much progress, but didn't have much time</li><li>sounds like Christoph and chromatic are working on it</li><li>might look at TT #389</li></ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>you're welcome to it!</li><li>let me know if you have questions; it's close</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>no travel plans for the next couple of months</li><li>should have a lot more Parrot time</li><li>probably time to consider another big project</li><li>probably GC related</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>updated the progress graph last night</li><li>up to date as of yesterday</li><li>Rakudo's passing over 30,000 tests, which is great</li></ul><p> <strong>Jerry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>we have 27 mentors signed up for GSoC</li><li>a dozen student proposals have come in</li><li>the admission period ends Friday, so I expect at least a handful more</li><li>looks like a good year for proposals</li><li>trying to keep on track of Rakudo development</li><li>trying to be a go-between for Rakudo and Parrot</li><li>seems like it's helping Rakudo as Parrot addresses issues that come up</li></ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>Vasily and I fixed the Rakudo performance regression</li><li>we're going to experiment with immutable strings in a branch</li><li>expect some notable performance improvements there</li><li>also worked on the plan to fix line number reporting</li><li>need a test harness to help identify problems and avoid regressions</li><li>learned my lesson last time I worked on that....</li></ul><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>I cringe every time I hear "line numbers"</li><li>I like what Clang does about highlighting the arguments to functions</li><li>it'd be nice if we can do similar</li></ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>that'd require more changes to Parrot, but it's doable</li></ul><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>I just want people to bear it in mind</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>there's no reason we can't have richer annotations</li><li>our first step is making sure the information we provide them (or they ask for) is accurate</li><li>is it time to have another big development meeting for Parrot?</li><li>the release is coming up</li></ul><p> <strong>Jerry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>sounds good</li></ul> chromatic 2010-04-09T22:07:25+00:00 journal Perl 6 Design Minutes for 31 March 2010 http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40296?from=rss <p>The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 31 March 2010. Larry, Allison, Patrick, Will, and chromatic attended.</p><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>in SpecLand, made it clear that the brackets in pairs are not related to subscripts, but follow the corresponding fatarrow semantics</li><li>in particular, name extenders are just strings or list of strings, properly indicated by : or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:() in most cases (this includes all operator names).</li><li>we now forbid name extension using the<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:{}</code> keyless adverbial syntax</li><li>we don't need that because name extensions are really only supposed to use values, not closures</li><li>if we really, really, need to supply a closure as part of a name extension, we can put it in parens, as in<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:({})</code>.</li><li>we can use that notation for supplying a closure as a first argument to a method without requiring a space between the colon and the curly, as in<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>.map:{...}</code> </li><li>people keep writing that and expecting it to work, so I thought it would be good to make it work</li><li>the colon is still require before the curlies, or it's a hash subscript</li><li>we now capitalize the <code>Junction</code> type again because I couldn't get people to stop capitalizing it</li><li>also, the native aspect of junctions is not their most salient difference from normal types</li><li>conjectured an <code>Each</code> type that autothreads lists like junctions, but is serial and lazy, and is used for its values in list context, not boolean context</li><li>in S05, did much cleanup of cursor semantics to reflect what STD and Rakudo actually do these days</li><li>retargeted the <code>&lt;&amp;foo&gt;</code> regex assertion form to explicitly call a routine, just like <code>&lt;.foo&gt;</code> always calls a method</li><li>a bare <code>&lt;foo&gt;</code> assertion now prefers to call a lexical function if visible, or calls as a method in current grammar if not</li><li>this is a compile-time distinction, not a fallback at run time</li><li>in code hacking, continued debugging of the backtracking transactions I added last week</li><li> <code>gimme5</code> now sets the correct xact on <code>||</code> alternations</li><li>deleted more of the transactions that are no longer needed when building match results that are no longer hypothetical</li><li>a <code>LazyMap</code> now always passes through the first result regardless of its associated commit transaction state</li><li>that's because the first cursor in a lazy list always represents the current match hypothesis, not a future hypothesis that needs pruning</li><li>STD now parses to the new specs regarding name extensions not including<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:{}</code> </li><li>now allow colon form of method arguments to omit the space if the next char is a left curly, which is what people seem to expect anyway</li><li>note that this makes the closure the first argument, not the only argument</li><li>STD now gives more useful error messages when user says things like 'if' as a function call (<code>if(...) {...}</code>), or a statement control like 'given' where one isn't expected (<code>$x = given {...}</code>)</li><li>STD now properly objects to unrecognized internal regex modifiers such as<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:has</code> </li><li>improved the message on adverbs with empty angles (<code>:foo&lt;&gt;</code>) to list some better options</li><li>the problem arises when people think that the angles produce a null string, when in fact they produce a <code>Nil</code> list</li><li>other malformed pairs are also better diagnosed, such as<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:!</code> not followed by an identifier, or pairs with duplicate arguments</li><li>added a new rule that traps all warnings and errors</li><li>STD now uses <code>suppose</code> in place of custom try blocks in diagnosing such things as two terms in a row, or unexpected infixes</li><li>also uses <code>suppose</code> to soften the warning about backtick-less embedded comments by not complaining if the supposed comment eats the whole line anyway</li><li>put in some code to de-dup identical warnings</li><li>STD now includes the signature's return type (after <code>--&gt;</code>) in the check for redundant '<code>of</code>' types</li><li>did various tiny speed tweaks, fossil removals</li><li>started playing with how to mark sink context and pure operations</li><li>split out <code>Actions.pm</code> from <code>viv</code> so that it can be used by other STD-based AST builders</li><li>this is in preparation for propagating attributes up and down the AST such as sink context and purity</li><li>eventually this will result in "Useless use of" messages where appropriate, not to mention the ability to do constant folding</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>worked on the <code>compact_pool()</code> function</li><li>split it into a series of smaller functions</li><li>it could use more work, but it's an improvement</li><li>found one possible bug</li><li>worked on some documentation, especially for PMC attributes</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>reviewed some patches to add variable handling in regexes</li><li>they need some changes, but the overall concept is good</li><li>reviewed a few other messages</li><li>most of my time is going toward my family</li><li>hope to get more time to be more active in the next couple of days, but I can't promise that yet</li></ul><p> <strong>Will:</strong> </p><ul> <li>talked to Jonathan about Rakudo Star priorities</li><li>he's very pleased with the memory fixes</li><li>the next thing on his list is getting good line numbers in reported errors</li><li>closing tickets</li><li>working to get rid of the last recursive Makefile</li><li>may wait until after the new release, when we remove a lot of deprecated things</li><li>practicing my NQP skills by working on Tcl again</li></ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>worked on the Rakudo memory problems</li><li>Vasily and I fixed the big memory use problem</li><li>still some performance tuning to do there</li><li>wrote up tasklists for two other important performance pieces</li><li>will work on line numbers after we get performance back</li></ul> chromatic 2010-04-05T04:42:21+00:00 journal My Slashroulette Videos http://use.perl.org/~pudge/journal/40290?from=rss <p>Today Slashdot did a spoof of Chatroulette, that we called Slashroulette. We prerecorded videos of ourselves and others. Here's five of the six I did (the sixth was me tuning the guitar, I didn't post that one on YouTube): <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHwz6sG37_Q">video 1</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQYgAxVo050">video 2</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlJBlObJnJY">video 3</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWxewYtRc48">video 4</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkVisbPXHVo">video 5</a>.</p><p>Cross-posted on <a href="http://pudge.net/glob/2010/04/my-slashroulette-videos.html">&lt;pudge/*&gt;</a>.</p> pudge 2010-04-02T05:15:16+00:00 journal From UTC to US/Central http://use.perl.org/~jdavidb/journal/40287?from=rss <p>I've been living on UTC time since just before the end of Daylight Saving Time, 2005. Today I have reset my workstation to Central time. It's like looking at the world with fresh eyes.</p><p>My settings on websites will follow at some point.</p> jdavidb 2010-04-01T17:57:23+00:00 journal Perl 6 Design Minutes for 24 March 2010 http://use.perl.org/~chromatic/journal/40284?from=rss <p>The Perl 6 design team met by phone on 24 March 2010. Larry, Allison, Patrick, Jerry, and chromatic attended.</p><p> <strong>Larry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>clarified that nearly all normal operators autothread, including <code>===</code> and <code>eqv</code> </li><li>specced the <code>\|</code> parcel parameter syntax</li><li>documented that <code>R</code> metaoperator does not change associativity</li><li>clarified that <code>trusts</code> traits do not extend to child classes, and moritz++ specced it</li><li>in STD, we now suppress spurious errors from badinfix lookahead (and react more accurately to bogus terms)</li><li>now put the error location pointer before a bad infix, not after</li><li>we no longer assume missing block punctuation is always semi or comma, but keep them as a suggestion</li><li>missing punctuation message now points before any whitespace</li><li>awesomified error message about no unspace in regexes to explain how to quote space or <code>#</code> </li><li>pass single coeff to <code>radcalc</code> to make<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>:16&lt;.BABEFACE&gt;</code> easier to allow</li><li>gives better message on missing <code>**</code> part of radix literals</li><li>worked around fact that<nobr> <wbr></nobr><code>::</code> doesn't correctly suppress relexing of multi tokens</li><li>scrapped the workaround and did a complete refactor of commit point transactions; no longer uses exceptions to commit</li><li>instead, it walks the current commit chain to the proper commit target to disable choosers that should not choose any more options</li><li>commit chain aliasing and forking to make a cactus stack is now managed by cursors, mostly transparently</li><li>weighed in on the subject of stability domains (or lack thereof) in Rakudo *</li></ul><p> <strong>Patrick:</strong> </p><ul> <li>still working on personal issues, but hope to have some resolution by Saturday</li><li>haven't had much time to work on Rakudo, but show up on #perl6 to give advice sometimes</li><li>read Larry's email to the list; it was very helpful</li></ul><p> <strong>Allison:</strong> </p><ul> <li>met some interesting people at SxSW doing open source education technology</li><li>reviewing the roadmap</li><li>the GC sounds like the most important thing to work on next</li><li>trying to catch up from having spotty network access lately</li></ul><p> <strong>Jerry:</strong> </p><ul> <li>the other Rakudo developers have started weekly planning meetings</li><li>Jonathan has taken the lead</li><li>plenty of contributors are in the meeting and offered to take on new tasks</li><li>Rakudo Star may have a smaller scope, but it'll still come out in Q2</li><li>it's nice to see that the Rakudo community continues even as Patrick has an extended absence</li><li>still some Parrot issues affecting Rakudo</li><li>PaFo hopes to have its 501(c)3 application done by summer</li></ul><p> <strong>c:</strong> </p><ul> <li>bugfixes</li><li>minor optimizations</li><li>helped merge the PCC refactor branch</li><li>working on Rakudo memory issues (long analysis follows, partly Parrot GC and partly NQP behavior)</li></ul> chromatic 2010-03-31T21:20:11+00:00 journal