Seeing hfb & pudge go at it was pretty entertaining, until it prompted hfb to leave this site altogether... that's not cool. I don't know them personally, but I imagine they're both pretty hard-headed with opposite polarity of perspectives. Kinda like oil & vinegar
... or matter & anti-matter.
Patriotism is a funny thing, as well as a personal thing. Personally, I believe the good ol' USA is a great place to live and I daresay better than most countries out there. I agree that there are problems in the US (education, taxes, social security, health care, sporting leagues ... the list goes on), but as someone who's raised American, those are familiar problems that I'm just used to. Often I look at picturesque vistas from far-away places and imagine myself there (much like the grass is greener on the other side), but every time I travel abroad, I look forward to coming home ... because it's familiar footing and I'm the type of person that doesn't like strange environments.
So ... does that make me uninteresting? Ignorant? Perhaps so ... I'm just happy to be in my (small & comfortable) world.