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Ovid (2709)

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Stuff with the Perl Foundation. A couple of patches in the Perl core. A few CPAN modules. That about sums it up.

Journal of Ovid (2709)

Monday July 06, 2009
09:29 AM


[ #39237 ]

As many of you know, Rafael has stepped down as the P5P pumpking. He's done a great job and I'm sad to see him go, but he couldn't take the mud-flinging any more. I can't say I blame him.

Regarding mud-flinging -- and not just in regards to this particular debacle -- I won't name names (many will guess and many guesses will be wrong), but I have some observations about reputation:

  • I've been quietly told by several that they're disgusted with one particular individual who should know better than to be rude.
  • I know of at least one individual who has, unbeknownst to him, not been offered a rather nice consulting gig because of his online behavior.
  • There is one person I once objected to hiring because of comments he made on a mailing list (the owner saw those comments and rejected the applicant).

I suppose if people aren't concerned about work, they may not be concerned with how they come across online. On the other hand, wouldn't it at least be good to be known as someone who can find ways of getting things done nicely? I struggle with this myself at times and I hate seeing it in others.

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  • "There is a person ..."

    Great, now every candidate can wonder if it's them. I suppose you could argue that's the point, since it makes each person reconsider their behavior. OTOH, people acting badly may not know they're acting badly, and probably need to be told directly how their behavior hurt someone else.

    • I know that two out of those three people have been told directly. One doesn't care, one doesn't believe it. As for the third, I don't care. They've behaved so patently offensively that I'll have nothing to do with them (and the order I mention them here is not the order mentioned in my post).

      And yeah, I think people should reconsider their behavior. Those who are consistently nice online are probably not worried, but I know that I need a reminder every now and then and if thinking about this makes me p

      • I don't think he bears ill-will for this....

        Certainly not! Like you, I also spend a lot of time and energy trying hard never to attack people or call them names. I'll debate ideas (sometimes to the hilt, unfortunately), but it's never okay to attack people.

      • Not only does writing not capture tone of voice or body language, but it's easy to forget that a lot of what is in online in Perl forums/lists/blogs is written and read by people for whom English is a 2nd, 3rd, etc. language.

        -- dagolden

      • I sometimes wimp out, but I know that I'd rather be told I am being a jerk [] than have it whispered about behind my back. (I'm agreeing with Ovid here, not complaining that he talked about some anonymous people! I understand and agree with why he did *that* too.)

        I've always found it to be in my best interests to treat people as if they were thinking, feeling entities with whom I shared a mutual hope for the improvement of ourselves and the world. Even when it's not true, it's often a great plan! This invo

        • The internet doesn't have beer (no, "BYO" doesn't count.) It also lacks identity, intonation, and facial expression (I blame skype and similar proprietary communication tools (and closed networks) for the ongoing lack of ubiquitous ability to truly communicate -- such as in the always-promised, never-delivered virtual pub.)

          And, I still think we need the chairkick protocol.

          But seriously: sure, you should consider that people might misread your posts and you should be generally nice. On the other hand, you

          • Absolutely. If the guy at the other end of ytalk didn't say, "I believe you to be a stinking pile of filth," it's usually a much, much better idea to assume that he's being polite and trying to communicate, rather than to assume that he's a sarcastic jerk. Even if you're wrong, you will have avoided feeling insulted!

            Coping with the Internet 101