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Wednesday January 28, 2009
08:09 AM

Dead Babies

[ #38357 ]

Can someone please explain to me why "pro-life" politicians in the US never raise a stink about our obscenely high infant mortality rate?

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  • ...because that's god's will :|
    • As two people on my Twitter feed [twitter.com] have sadly reminded me, "pro-life" means "not yet born". After that, let 'em eat cake (with apologies to the misunderstood Marie Antionette).

      • The cake is a lie!

      • This reminds me of something George Carlin said about "pro-life" people. How much they care for the unborn, "but once you're born you're fucked". Seems suitable here...
      • I realize that Mother Teresa wasn't American, but she did offer to find a home for every child who would otherwise have been aborted (see IN MEMORY OF MOTHER TERESA [c-spanarchives.org] from the Congressional Record; this is the best authority I've found for this quote).

    • Yes, because anyone who is pro-life must be a religious fanatic. Jeez.
  • If pro-choice -> abortion == murder, how much prison time should the mother get?

    They never answer that one.

    • That makes the assumption that all people who are against abortion equate it to murder. I think you're generalizing the beliefs of those who are screaming and waving protest signs to the other people who believe abortion is wrong.

      • I did generalize for the sake of that post.

        Personally, I believe in pro-choice and pro-life. I wouldn't choose abortion, but I wouldn't force that choise on others.

        Or more to the point, I believe that the government and any other group should stay the hell out of it completely as it's a personal matter.

        • In the abstract I like the idea that one shouldn't force a choice on another. But as applied to abortion it is curious that the parent gets a choice, but the child in the womb doesn't get a choice when her mother decides to kill her.
    • Zero

      There, now you can't say "never" any more.

  • Which ever side you are on in the debate, it should be obvious to see a difference in something that is a choice and something that isn't.

    Nobody chooses to have a high infant mortality rate (yes it could be prevented, but that's not the same as choosing to have it). Some people do chose to have an abortion.

  • Just food for thought on the other side of the question -- I've never seen good analysis of broader explanatory factors for high infant mortality rate. I would be curious abou such things as older average age of mothers, higher rate of multiples due to IVF, higher maternal obesity rates, etc -- all of which I could imagine being the case for the US and which could increase risk of infant mortality.

     

    • Actually, there's lots of information out there regarding the reasons for the infant mortality rate in the US. A quick google should return plenty of results to follow for original information.

      • Sure. Because of the obscenely low social standards in the US.

        No standard health care access, female education, armed conflicts and "cultural practices". (just citing the CNN report)

  • I've heard the mortality rates are measured differently.

    Then again, my wife and I intentionally make unorthodox birth choices, such as having three children at home (twins, once) attended by a midwife, instead of at a hospital attended by an OB. We're aware that there are issues with the current birth system available in America. :)

    Of course, we don't believe government action can fix it. We believe government action caused it.

    We believe something similar about abortion, which is starting to make us look

    --
    J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers
    • We did the same (except with 4). :-)

      I believe that abortion is the taking of the life of a human being. I also believe that abortion will never go away. Given that, I hope and fight for a system where there the least amount of abortions necessary are performed.

      • Well, the fourth at home (fifth overall) is due on the 23rd of this month. Did I mention we're unorthodox? :)

        --
        J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers
  • Because it's OK for their bloodthirsty god to slaughter innocents. If god does it, it must be good.