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Stuff with the Perl Foundation. A couple of patches in the Perl core. A few CPAN modules. That about sums it up.

Journal of Ovid (2709)

Thursday November 10, 2005
12:41 AM

US vs. UK & Australian jobs

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So I'm subscribed to the jobs.perl.org mailing list. This is very important to every Perl programmer regardless of whether or not you're looking for work. You want to know who's hiring. You want to know the technologies they're using (Catalyst is really hot right now) and you want to know what they're paying. You might even want to know where they're hiring, but this is less important to me.

What's curious, though, is an odd little discrepancy I noticed. I tend not to read job postings in German or Dutch because, well, I don't know those languages. I read the English language jobs (and the very uncommon French language ones). I've noticed that the vast majority of jobs posted in the UK or Australia have a salary or salary range listed. The vast majority of those posted for the US don't. What gives? Are Americans just a bunch of cheating bastards seeing who we can swindle?

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  • It's far more complex then that. The American tax system actually discourages employment. Businesses are compelled to hire their talent for as little as possible because of the high taxation overhead tied to salary. It's one of the primary reasons for job exportation. As the salary arbitrage (especially in India, currently) decreases jobs continue to transfer. Clearly there is more to it then the common cries of dirt cheap labor.
    • P.S... Catalyst IS hot. Really hot.
    • Regardless of payroll taxes, companies will always try to pay their workers as little as possible. That is the most straightforward way to increase profits, after all.

      Also, I must be misunderstanding your post in some way, because you seem to suggest that taxes are lower in the UK than in the US.
      • I don't think that's what was meant. In the US, our taxes are so mind-bogglingly complicated that no two tax experts get the same result on a moderately complicated return. Companies who hire people still have to deal with a bunch of little, niggling taxes being calculated, deducted from the paycheck and sent 'round to the proper offices. Right now I'm subject to withholding for federal, social security (which the employer pays half of), medicare and state taxes. If you think of medical insurance as a t

  • As I understand it, the concept of negotiating for a salary is totally different there. Jobs have a specific salary that is known up front, and you take it or leave it. Not sure what the origin of this difference is.
    • While the company may advertise the sort of salary they are expecting to pay, that is as negotiable as the rest of the contract. On several occasions I have got more out of them. As to why US employers don't advertise salaries, I have no idea. It seems daft to me. Advertising the salary is a great way of getting inappropriate candidates to filter themselves out quickly and easily without having to rely on the opaque rubbish written by HR drones. And both sides benefit. By including the salary, they ar