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Journal of Ovid (2709)

Monday April 21, 2003
05:29 PM


[ #11763 ]

An article about throwing away the Internet and starting over seems a bit off. First, it complains about spam and suggests that we need to throw the Internet away to combat spam. Aside from the need to politely ask the global economy to grind to a halt for bug fixes, this really seems like a case of pulling out the ICBMs to hunt cock roaches. While I admittedly don't know much about the adminstrative side of things, I don't see why adopting a new email protocol requires scrapping the 'Net.

The author also wrote "Conversely, whitelisting would become easier because you could whitelist users based on their certificates, not based on a from: address that is easily spoofed."

Yes, the from: address is easily spoofed. If you spoof email to me from my friends and I have a whitelist in place that allows those through, you can spam me. Now imagine trying to send out 10,000,000 with my friends email addresses. If everyone had whitelists, that spam would be useless and thus not cost-effective. Spammers would have to try to figure out not just how to spoof headers, but how to figure out which email addresses large percentages of users are going to allow through. I don't imagine enough overlap that this would make spamming cost-effective.

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  • I've often thought that we should start over to get rid of ridiculous cruft (ancient browsers, content in nonstandard markup, IP4), and mismanagement/plutocracy in the DNS system. Why bother with top-level domains anymore? []?!? *sigh*
  • Suppose I need to send an e-mail to a couple of hundred OSCON speakers or to a few thousand newsletter subscribers. I don't have time to deal with each individual whitelist request. If I automated it, though, what's to stop a spammer from doing the same?

    The same goes for every micropayment system I've heard proposed in conjunction with e-mail. A lot of these proposals work fine if you only ever talk to a handful of people. There are quite a few people like me who have genuine business reasons to talk

  • One open-source project which I am currently involved with is the OpenBottle verification system, [] - This is a practical implementation of email whitelists and can be seen in implementation on the company web page at []. My involvement with the OpenBottle verification system is from the perspective of the company providing this system, Bluebottle Pty Ltd, and am currently involved in code review, documentation and development for the commercial version and ne
  • Never underestimate the power of threat of castration to stop people from doing bad things.

    Seriously, if we made laws, worked with other nations on them, and enforced them, we would go a long way to decreasing spam.
    • We have a law that forbids spam here in Denmark, it is a part of a EU legislation AFAIK. I have notified the local 'folkeregister' (the office where they keep tabs on you, your whereabouts, why you are married to etc) that I do not want any unsolicited mails, either normal, e- or by phone. There is a fairly stiff penalty for breaking the law - I complained to a local bank who (due to an error in their filtering programmes) sent me an ad for their fine new something-or-other, and they excused profusely and s