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Wednesday October 17, 2007
01:05 AM

Strawberry Perl Update

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With my repository working again and PPI 1.200 release, the next project I hope to catch up on is Strawberry Perl.

I think this has taken on particular importance now because of the Perl Survey results, which showed that about 50% of Perl users have used Windows in the last year, but only 5% of Perl users ONLY used Windows.

When comparing Strawberry Perl and ActivePerl it's fairly clear to me that ActivePerl is the best distribution for Windows-only developers and Strawberry is better for cross-platform developers.

I'd just never realised how dominant the cross-platform case was compared to the Windows-only case. I'd always thought that the Windows-only case was dominant.

Before I changed jobs recently and got distracted by writing the repository manager, my previous "train project" was to update and refactor the modules (Perl::Dist::Strawberry and friends) that are used to generate the Vanilla and Strawberry Perl distributions

I've managed to remove most of the bit-rot and I've cleaned up the codebase a bit.

To make things a bit easier for myself, I've moved the modules into my repository for now, and I'll be starting incremental releases (of the modules).

From there, I want to try and get another (beta) release of Strawberry Perl 5.8.8 out before 5.10.0.

I'd also like to try and upgrade the Vanilla/Strawberry Perl website at the same time, as I've had a few people emailing me asking if it was dead when that is anything but the situation.

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  • I just installed XP under Parallels last night to do win32 perl testing, and installed SP again. Thank god for Strawberry Perl.
  • There might be a URL typo. I clicked the link for http://vanillaperl.org/ [vanillaperl.org] and received a not found. A Google search for strawberry perl revealed http://vanillaperl.com/ [vanillaperl.com] instead.

    I look forward to trying Strawberry out. I usually have to cross develop under Cygwin.

    Later, Mark S.

    BTW, Thanks for the Tiny Modules too. Can I also cast a vote for a Tiny JSON module?
  • I've mentioned this in some emails when asked about Vanilla and Strawberry Perl, but it probably is worth repeating here...

    Strawberry Perl has led to a substantial shift for many people from installing modules in PPM form to installing directly from CPAN. That means that a lot more test suites are being run on MSWin32 and a lot more bugs are seeing the light of day.

    Much of the energy of project participants in the last year or so has been going to gradually squashing these bugs. You can see some of t

    • David,

      May I put in a request for a 5.10 version of Strawberry Perl, even though it's not yet released? Or otherwise, how can the kids try this at home?

      What do I need, over and above the blead source, to compile it and produce my own, say, Mango Perl on Win32?

      • At the moment you need to wait for a little bit for me to get the refactor of Perl::Dist finished, as there's no sane way to build atm... but that shouldn't be too far away.
  • Not true.

    I'd say that the Strawberry Perl distro is much better than ActiveState (I almost said "vastly", but that would be unfair).

    AS is bearable if you have Visual Studio installed, and know a few extra PPM repos that you routinely set up on new machines.

    But when I tried out Vanilla and Strawberry Perl I was pleasantly surprised. Things just... worked! I had less problems installing some things on Windows than on Ubuntu (how. about. that!).

    If this experience can be verified by other Windows users (and I
    • My actual subject was "Strawberry > ActiveState", but that got clobbered somehow...
      • It's a "bug" (pudge may not actually consider it a bug).

        SlashCode does not escape comment headers.
    • The main reason we kept the label on was that I wanted to be really conservative with a distribution.
    • The thing is, if you have pure-Win32 programmers that never touch Unix, they tend to be using Visual Studio and so on already. They have a familiarity with Visual Studio and the Win32 ways of working,

      In this environment, the better and less confusing environment for them does seem to be ActiveState.
      • I've found the opposite. I use Visual Studio.NET at $work, all day, every day so I'd consider that being a pure win32 programmer. But that's now in the age of .NET, where you don't have to know a lick of C to do real things, like http modules, services, etc.

        Back in the Visual Studio 6 days, one could compile a perl module [mod_perl.. oi] even if you didn't know C [as painful as it may have been to get studio to play along], and you could be fairly certain that the modules would work just fine.

        When .NET 1.0,